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PostSubject: News   Tue May 15, 2007 10:04 pm



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Russia tells EU: Don't rewrite history

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia attacked the European Union on Tuesday for failing to stop what it said was an attempt by new EU member states to rewrite the history of World War Two and glorify Nazism.

Speaking before a summit between the EU and Russia on Friday, President Vladimir Putin's top adviser on EU affairs, Sergei Yastrzhembsky, told Reuters the bloc had been "hypocritical" not to condemn Estonia when it moved a Soviet-era war memorial away from the centre of its capital.

He said the row between Russia and Estonia over the bronze statue of a World War Two Red Army soldier indicated a wider problem.

"We believe there are increasing attempts by some members of the EU -- all of them are new entrants -- to railroad the EU and Europe as a whole in the direction of reviewing the political results of World War Two," he said in an interview.

"This is a very dangerous tendency, this is a challenge to ... the values of the EU that were formed on the basis of the results of World War Two," he added.

"What is being done in Estonia, in Latvia -- we talked about this in past summits -- these are attempts to make the Nazi past heroic ... and put up monuments to the Waffen SS and rewrite history, and attempts to put the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany on the same level."

Memories of World War Two and the Soviet communist domination of large swathes of Europe that followed it are still raw, both in Russia and eastern Europe.[img][/img][img][/img][url][/url][img][/img][img][/img][img]
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 5:59 pm

27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 6:32 pm

What about occupation and 17% estonian nation they killed? You think it was charity event? No, it was world domination with communism event.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 8:33 pm

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27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together.
27 million Russians died becouse Stalin didn't belive Hitler would attack SSSR that soon. Everything was unprepared and Hitler easilly killed a big part of the Red Army in a short ammount of time. And there were also estonians in the Red Army.

Besides, you, after stopped nazis you also stayed here, occupying us for about 50 years, ruining our economy and doing million other bad things (tho everything you did was not bad, I must admit).
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 8:57 pm

Have someone of people who talk about "occupation" and other things ever thought how it wolud be if Nazis would rule their country? scratch pale
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 9:38 pm

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Have someone of people who talk about "occupation" and other things ever thought how it wolud be if Nazis would rule their country? scratch pale
You can't say for sure. Everything COULD have happened. Maybe USA would have nuked Hitler and we would have avoided either occupation. Maybe Hitlers secret experiments with mutants would have gone bad and the Earth would be ruled by mutant T. Rexes, aka Godzillas with IQ ~360.

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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 9:50 pm

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You can't say for sure. Everything COULD have happened.

Not everything could happened. Just take a look at the NS-Ideologie. But of course it is more simply not to think about this kind of things. Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:05 pm

DerDieDas, who was Otto Tief Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:09 pm

genocide-communists murthered more people than fasists, occupied over 20 countries and did every kind of other crap.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:22 pm

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genocide-communists murthered more people than fasists, occupied over 20 countries and did every kind of other crap.

What is a "genocide-communist" ? cyclops

And it is also not true, that communists killed more people than fashists. If you take a look at the WW2 you will agree with my argument.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:30 pm

genocide=mass murthers
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:35 pm

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genocide=mass murthers

If you call stalinists mass murders, then it would be true. But Genocide isn´t "just" mass murdering, so it is false. study


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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 10:45 pm

well ok, they dint kill becouse nation and so on, they killed weahlthy and intelligent people to achive communistic world domination plan. Fascists at least killed others not them selves Razz

Ok ok, i dont approve any kind of murthering organisations and people.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 16, 2007 11:09 pm

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You have a really weird kind of humor. Suspect Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 12:33 am

Julice wrote:
27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together.

27 million russians died becouse stalin was too busy likvidating his own generals, who could have saved millions of lives with better war tactics for example... stalin was also busy with sending occupated countries' people to cyberia and concentration camps, just like Hitler did.. (Hitler was smart enough not to kill own generals though..)
what could estonians do? there was like 1.3 millions of us, and stalin sent 17% of that to cyberia or to be killed... we had our people in CCCP army just like every other occupied country had people in it.. dont tell we did nothing.
we should be thankful for your mother russia (ex CCCP) for ruining our economy and everything we had achieved.. economy, society.. estonia was even ahead of finland.. and after cccp fucked itself up, we were decades behind... thanks to your mother russia.

and someone asked what could have happened if hitler beat russia and every other country... read book Fatherland by Robert Harris. I dont say it could have been better, but come on.. CCCP made nothing good for any occupied country.. only abusing, and now grief is left behind...
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 1:08 am

I say there was not even one good thing cccp did. War agains Germany was unavoidable according to communistic world domination plan.

I wouldnt be surprised to know that there where agreements: if you destroy germany, sacrifice your people we shot our eyes while you occupy countries.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 11:26 am

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War agains Germany was unavoidable according to communistic world domination plan.

Aha.. Suspect

Do you have this kind of information from a conspiracy theory book? cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 1:53 pm

Occupation of more than 20 countries isnt proof for you?
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PostSubject: Red fascists   Thu May 17, 2007 2:24 pm

Russian "Red fascists" killed more Estonians than Nazis... Why would Estonians thank Russians? I would rather see Russians going to Siberia where they sended our relatives also women and children!!
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 2:47 pm

That what you call an occupation wasn't an occupation. Read my comment under the theme about bronze soldier. And it is very interesting why is Stalin guilty for the death of 27 million people? Didn't you ever think why in other countries less people died? Because only they could stand against Hitler, that is why they were killed in so large amount.
I would look at you if you were in Stalin's shoes, wouldn't you, how you say, "occupy" other countries, you would be so kind and liberal when half of your country was done to the wide? Now you are so smart and can judge other's acts, it would be funny to look at you if you were powerful, I'm sure you would kill much more people
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 5:24 pm

I don't say that Estonia would've done better under Nazi rule but we didn't have any paradise when we were under Soviet rule, neither.

Estonian first president, Konstantin Päts was ready to do anything to avoid the open war against CCCP and has often been called the betraitor of country. I must admit with that. In 1939 Konstantin Päts signed the contract in which the Soviet troops were allowed to stay in Estonia. This was called the contract of mutual assistance between Estonia and CCCP. After this "a democratic revoultion" took place. It was produced by CCCP. A new government seized power. The new Johannes Vares-Barbarus's government insisted Päts to resign and he did so. A week after the resignation Päts was arrested and deported to CCCP. The new marionet government which was leaded by Moscow soon signed the papers in which Estonia pleaded to be taken to CCCP. Our independence was given away without any battle!

The next year was terrible. The companies were taken away from their owners and nationalized. Societies and clubs were closed. Outstanding politicians and culture people were harassed. Many people were shot, many were deported to Siberia to prison camps. On 14th June in 1941 the first mass deportation took place. The life in cold Siberia was very hard. Half of those who were taken there, died. This year has often been called "the year of suffers of Estonian people". In this year many Estonian men escaped to the forests to fight against Soviet rule. People started to call them "metsavennad" - the forest brothers. Estonia was occupated and people suffered much.

Therefore, if Nazis arrived in 1941, they were treated as liberators. Must be remarked that Estonians didn't support Nazi politics, but they saw it as a way to fight against behaited Soviet dictature. In 1941-1944 many Estonian men joined the German army in order to fight for independence or pay back for their murdered or deported friends and relatives. For example, the 20. divise of German army ("The Estonian Legion") entirely consisted of Estonians. The process were magnified by the fact that Hitler said that it would be possible to reconstruct the Estonian independence in the future when Estonians would fight against bolsheviks. Nazi ideology and SS-principles were continously unacceptable for Estonians but there was no other army they could have fought in.

In 1944 the fortunes turned against Nazi army and Estonia. There were fierce battles (the most famous are battles which took place in Sinimäed and in Sõrve), but in this year CCCP again occupied Estonia - "liberated us from under Nazi rule" Rolling Eyes All who had been in the Nazi army had to escape to the forests because NKVD tried to catch and arrest them. Volunteers also went there to keep fighting against the Soviet rule. This was a brave but hoplesse attempt because CCCP eliminated the main supporters of forest brothers - the peasants - by deportating them. The innocent and apolitical people were also sent to Siberia. Stalin started to collectivate the farms, but people didn't support this idea. 25. märtsil 1949 the second mass deportation took place. This scared people and they had to join the kolkhozes. In the North-Eastern Estonia new factories were found and Moscow invited Russian to live and work in Estonia.

Kolkhoses were a disaster. The animals and land was taken away from farmers and given to "people". Farmers didn't have their own possession any more and nobody cared of the things that belonged to "everyone". The farming started to stagnate.

Stalin's time of power is known as the worst period of CCCP-time in Estonia. Deportations, arresting people, stagnation, no freedom of speech. He tried to press down the ideas of independence by pressing down Estonian language and culture and doing wide CCCP porpaganda here. People secretly cursed him but didn't dare to say anything openly because they would have been arrested. The economy of this country degradated. Elementary goods were deficit. People secretly listened to disallowed foreign radio canals like "Ameerika Hääl" ("American Voice") which talked truth about life in CCCP and out of it. CCCP wasted a lot of money when trying to interfere it. The thoughts of independence didn't die, though. The forest brothers still tried to fight, but KGB and NKVD worked hard against them and forest brothers were killed.

About freedom of speech. It didn't exist and everyone who said something against the CCCP were arrested or deported or shot. There were secret jokes about the government and CCCP.

After Stalin's death (1953) the regime was not so strict any more. This is called the melt of Hrushtshov. Many of those who were deported to Siberia were allowed to return. (I mean those who were still alive.) The national culture (folk songs and dances) was accepted even thought it was under strict control. Freedom of speech, however, didn't exist. Hrushtshov was widely known for wearing a straw hat everywhere and also for his strange experiments. For example, he tried to grow maize in Estonia and Yakutia. He didn't success because both places are far too cold (in Yakutia there is sometimes -50 C in winters).

After several other imperators Gorbatshov seized power. He was trying to make CCCP democratic but he didn't success because CCCP was built up on violence. Life got better in Estonia. In the end on 80ies the independece ideas grew stronger and stronger. It started when people protested against mines of phosphorite. After this came the Singing Revolution with all it's great attempts (Baltic chain, night singings, meetings) and 20. august 1991 Estonia became independence again.

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So it's completely wrong if someone calls us nazies or says that CCCP rule didn't do anything bad. It's also wrong if people say Estonians didn't suffer under My grandma was in Siberia and she still doesn't want to talk about it. Her mother and brother died in illnesses there. Father was taken to another camp where he was shot.

I usually have nothing against Russian people, I have Russian friends. At the beginning I also didn't want this monument to be taken away, but it caused too much trouble. And let's be honest, the centre of Tallinn is not a place for monuments of occupants.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 6:23 pm

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And it is very interesting why is Stalin guilty for the death of 27 million people? Didn't you ever think why in other countries less people died? Because only they could stand against Hitler, that is why they were killed in so large amount.
I wouldn't call dieing the most 'standing against someone'. And we wouldn't have been in need of 'liberation' if Russians hadn't run, tail between their legs.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Thu May 17, 2007 7:08 pm

Be friendly, tolerant, speak in English Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: News   Wed May 23, 2007 9:59 pm

People, its time to stop belive in soviet lies. Soviet Union lost in IIWW was 8,86 million people. I said people, not russians. Make a different. Not everybody, who died in soviet side was ethnic russian.
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PostSubject: Re: News   Tue May 29, 2007 4:11 pm

Unn wrote:
People, its time to stop belive in soviet lies. Soviet Union lost in IIWW was 8,86 million people. I said people, not russians. Make a different. Not everybody, who died in soviet side was ethnic russian.

well, yeah.... +/- 20/10/5 million soviet people's lives... what's the difference?... it's all soviet lies... What's next my friends??? Maybe you will tell me it was SU who started the war?
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