The great changings around 1989

Are you satisfied in all means how the Changings happened in your country? Is there anything which should have been made less/more radical?

There was just a very popular Tv program (Frei-dosszié) broadcasted yesterday evening which was probably watched by most Hungarian TV-watchers.
This time it was about the present situation of Hungary and several Hungarian and foreign people as well commented the things. Hungary lives dark times at the moment as for ethics and as for economy and living standard as well.
There was also Estonia and an Estonian guy living in Hungary in it. And Estonia developes multiple times more than Hungary, streets look better there and it is also cleaner. I had the similar inpressure about it as for my own studies
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They said, in Estonia there was a radical break with socialist past and started with Tabula Rasa, with clean paper, why Hungary didn't - said the Estonian guy and the reporter as well.

Again, I can only congratulate to you up there Estlased, what you are doing seems to be the most successfull in this region and now average Hungarians also got it to know. Keep going!

Smaller country, easier to change.

I'm not sure...I'm dissapointed by the fact that we didn't get our eastern lands back, and let's not say hop before we jump, atleast here many things are done, but still there is much to do and many things to fix. Altough i'ts really much better now in Poland than in the 90's or begining of the XXIst century.

We lost a part of our country also (Petserimaa)...

We lost two-third of out territory and one-third of our Hungarian population thanks to a peace treaty , and when we got back some during WW2, we lost all parts again, partly thankful to Soviet Union...

As for the topic, again: Is it really that better now in Poland then only some years ago in 2000-2001?

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We lost a part of our country also (Petserimaa)...

But as far as I've understand Petserimma belonged to Russia before 1918 (at least then when the czar ruled in Russia Petseri wasn't part of Estonia... or was it? I dont know so exactly)

Kiskun wrote:

We lost two-third of out territory and one-third of our Hungarian population thanks to a peace treaty , and when we got back some during WW2, we lost all parts again, partly thankful to Soviet Union...

As for the topic, again: Is it really that better now in Poland then only some years ago in 2000-2001?

Yes, I know that you've lost much, I like to collect history maps, including Hungary's ^.^ , I think Hungary should get back the Erdély region (Transylvania) so as Kárpátalja (Zakarpattia Oblast).

And Yes, I feel quite a large diffrence between this current state and 2000-2001 especially after Poland's membership in EU.

«Trayus» wrote:

Kiskun wrote:

We lost two-third of out territory and one-third of our Hungarian population thanks to a peace treaty , and when we got back some during WW2, we lost all parts again, partly thankful to Soviet Union...

As for the topic, again: Is it really that better now in Poland then only some years ago in 2000-2001?

Yes, I know that you've lost much, I like to collect history maps, including Hungary's ^.^ , I think Hungary should get back the Erdély region (Transylvania) so as Kárpátalja (Zakarpattia Oblast).

And Yes, I feel quite a large diffrence between this current state and 2000-2001 especially after Poland's membership in EU.

At school we learn about Polish history a lot, those "übermensch" nations always parted Poland into pieces And I also like watching old maps in histrical-atlas.

Oh my! Then EU membership is really something good for you! Yeah, I shouldn't be surprised, others simply use their possibilities, not like here.

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others simply use their possibilities, not like here.

123 years of dependence and 50 years of CCCP learned us this. Otherwise we would starve....

PdM wrote:

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others simply use their possibilities, not like here.

123 years of dependence and 50 years of CCCP learned us this. Otherwise we would starve....

Or we would be far more developed without that. I hardly believe we'd starve, we'd be actually flooded with glory and beauty and power of our multi-cultural nation. We would be actually far more better off without them, who knows, even more developed, and earlier gone democratic.

PdM wrote:

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others simply use their possibilities, not like here.

123 years of dependence and 50 years of CCCP learned us this. Otherwise we would starve....

150 years of Turkish, 230 years of Austrian, 50 years of CCCP occupation couldn't teach us, so you are much-much better!

Kiskun wrote:

PdM wrote:

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others simply use their possibilities, not like here.

123 years of dependence and 50 years of CCCP learned us this. Otherwise we would starve....

150 years of Turkish, 230 years of Austrian, 50 years of CCCP occupation couldn't teach us, so you are much-much better!

We Czechs had those "50 years of CCCP occupation" also. It could be way much less, if it wasn't for Poland, Hungary, DDR, Bulgaria and esp. C C C P in 1968! And that's our biggest problem, we still can't forget it. Communism was dead in that summer of '68, they lost badly in elections, border with Germany and Austria were open, and then those countries make their move, forced us with tanks, cannons and gazillions of soldiers back to the "MOTHER RUSSIA's" dirty hands. Although those countries doesn't have a choice other then do whatever Moscow dictate them, it's still so painfull for people in Czech, so nobody regrets any of those changes in 1989. My parents had enough brain and just about enough time to leave the country the same day the Russians came to occupy us (I was 7) and since then we live in USA. Since 1989 I was in my origin country many times and I can see that things are goin' pretty well there, actually, in some way maybe even better then here. In last couple of months I notice something that scares me a little and that is Putin's reaction in that anti-missile shield "causa". Guess he never agree with the lost of his old satellite-countries. Well people, no matter how much he is talkin' about democracy and new era, don't let history repeat and also don't forget where he came from. People can change, but he can't.

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I notice something that scares me a little and that is Putin's reaction in that anti-missile shield "causa". Guess he never agree with the lost of his old satellite-countries. Well people, no matter how much he is talkin' about democracy and new era, don't let history repeat and also don't forget where he came from. People can change, but he can't.

What do you mean "lost of HIS satellite-countries"? They have never been HIS, he has been the president of Russia for 7 years something, and by the time he became the president these countries had already been independent. What do you think his reaction should be like? "Oh dear friend Bush, come and build your anti-missile shit.. sorry shield and f**k my country once more.."?? And what did you mean by people can change but he can't? Of couse he can't. He has to keep the promises he made, and he, unlike most politicians, keeps them. What's even more interesting people support him.

I'm not a fan of Putin but I just don't see any logic in his critics' words, sheer rusophobia only.

KOPER1 wrote:

We Czechs had those "50 years of CCCP occupation" also. It could be way much less, if it wasn't for Poland, Hungary, DDR, Bulgaria and esp. C C C P in 1968! And that's our biggest problem, we still can't forget it.

I cannot understand how can you blame Poland, Hungary or Bulgaria. You know very well that these countries were occupied by Soviets. People whom lived there hated those communists who collaborated with Soviet regime. If this event happened let say in Hungary a year before or a year later Czechoslovak army would be there as well. So put the blame where it lies, on the USSR.

NowhereMan wrote:

What do you think his reaction should be like? "Oh dear friend Bush, come and build your anti-missile shit.. sorry shield and f**k my country once more.."??

Look, this is not Russia business what Poland or Czech Republic want to build on its own territory and nothing to discuss about that. Poland did not comment when Russia puts its own missiles on Polish-Belarusian border before.

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

NowhereMan wrote:

What do you think his reaction should be like? "Oh dear friend Bush, come and build your anti-missile shit.. sorry shield and f**k my country once more.."??

Look, this is not Russia business what Poland or Czech Republic want to build on its own territory and nothing to discuss about that. Poland did not comment when Russia puts its own missiles on Polish-Belarusian border before.

Poland or Czech Republic want to buld that system? Was it their idea? Man, you're a little bit wrong, United States of America is going to build it on your territory. And the system will monitor Russian territory, which is a threat to russian national interests so this is OUR business. And RUSSIAN president discussed that with AMERICAN president. And you guys may like it or not but your countries are only pawn in that dirty game, so sit back and enjoy the show!!

I don’t know in what world are you living. There is no any game, Poland negotiate with US and we don’t care what Kremlin think about this project. Your opposition gives us only better position in negotiation . You Russians also monitor our territory so stop with this hypocrisy.

What is more Russia is not any equal partner to the US and everybody except your own people are aware of this. Your diplomacy might disturb Baltics, Georgia or Moldova but in Poland your influence is zero.

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

I don’t know in what world are you living. There is no any game, Poland negotiate with US and we don’t care what Kremlin think about this project. Your opposition gives us only better position in negotiation . You Russians also monitor our territory so stop with this hypocrisy.

What is more Russia is not any equal partner to the US and everybody except your own people are aware of this. Your diplomacy might disturb Baltics, Georgia or Moldova but in Poland your influence is zero.

What's Poland's influence in the world? Do you really think you are equal to the major players in Europe like France, Germany or my beloved United Kingdom? They will never treat you as equals. The US happened to be the only superstate in the world. And if they deign to talk about something with you kiddies, it only means they have their own interests in the region. And the interest is quite clear now – whatever it is, it’s not to protect Europe from Iran. It would be okay and logical if EU decided to build its own shield to protect them. Even from Russia. But what Americans lost here?
What’s the matter with you? You want to be the targets in case of war? Looks like you are missing “old good times” of cold war, and longing to see Americans kick Russian ass… okay, but just bear in mind that Americans will not die for you – they will make you die for them if something goes wrong. Russia isn’t much better in this case, but we are neighbors, and America is far away.

PS don’t be angry, it destroys your soul

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- Why did our troop crossed the boundary of the Czech republic?
- Because friendship between socialistic countries has no boundaries!

Poland does not claim to be worldwide power but in our territory we will decide whatever we want.

All this cheap talk about war and target is just a propaganda. Anyway we need to build strong army and whole defense system.

NowhereMan wrote:

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- Why did our troop crossed the boundary of the Czech republic Czechoslovakia?
- Because friendship between socialistic countries has no boundaries!

I see that public education in Russia sucks as well.

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

Poland does not claim to be worldwide power but in our territory we will decide whatever we want.
All this cheap talk about war and target is just a propaganda. Anyway we need to build strong army and whole defense system.

Go ahead!

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Czechoslovakia.. I see that public education in Russia sucks as well.

piss off you f*ing rusophobe .. just forgot the official ex-name of the country for a while so what?...

Just wonder, your american friends know where your country is, if they buld a shield from Iran and North Korea in Europe? I bet they think that Europe is the best place to protect from N Korea 'cause judging by the name the country is in the North.

PS Now I really see that it's only small countries in Europe that stirring thing up. I hope someone will occupy you again to keep you quiet. Trouble makers!! (Except Estonia. I like them)

I see that harsh Russian sense of humor still cannot compete with Polish.

In opposition to you, I wish Russia good luck in process of reforming the country.
By the way, Winston Churchill said once that countries have no friends just interests.

Oh.. that was Polish lambent humour!
Next time let me know when you're kidding and when you're trying to insult me...

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By the way, Winston Churchill said once that countries have no friends just interests

And now western leaders say that some countries are allowed to have their interests and others are not.

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In opposition to you, I wish Russia good luck in process of reforming the country.

Sounds like "Burn in hell"

I should delete this forum from my favs: it dipresses me...
where are you, my Estonian e-friends?..