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Kiskun
Number of posts : 319 Age : 37 Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét Registration date : 2007-05-20
| Subject: Lustration Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:22 pm | |
| Trayus started the thought in me to investigate the process of "banning of communists from public life", and I found some material, but it is not all.
Czech Republic it is told that the succeedor party of the former Communist regime has never been re-elected, and the other country like that is Estonia where I found the same data.
Is it true?
In other countries? Are those parties still popular which are filled with former communists - faithful commies, who collaborated to hold the system? | |
| | | NowhereMan
Number of posts : 350 Age : 41 Localisation : Russia Registration date : 2007-05-17
| Subject: Re: Lustration Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:51 pm | |
| We have Communistic Party of Russian Federation here, that is very popular. They talk a lot about the greatness of the SU, but their ideology is a little bit different now. They accept things like free market (with some exceptions), freedom of speech, and they are best friends of Russian Orthodox Church now. Not so much of the communists, I think, but that's what they are. They are mainly supported by old people who remember law prices for food, free education, medical treatment and stuff and think that it all will be back once the CPRF is elected. Poor devils... All the changes in ideology were made to attract all the others. It's clear that they are not “real” communists. Why don't they change the name into, say, Socialistic Party? - because Communistic Party is a good brand for those I have mentioned above. So, now we have a joke about a businessman-communist donating orthodox church In fact they are nothing more than political prostitutes. They pretend to be in opposition to Putin's regime (like they were in opposition to Yeltsin's regime in the recent past), but in fact they work hand in hand with “Edinaya Rossiya”, which looks more like CPSU, thus making things even more absurd. | |
| | | Kiskun
Number of posts : 319 Age : 37 Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét Registration date : 2007-05-20
| Subject: Re: Lustration Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:04 pm | |
| Then, in Russia, it is even worse than I thought. I read about some kind of lustration in Poland. Did it have any significant affect on politics, economy and paradigm-change in people's head? | |
| | | towito
Number of posts : 112 Registration date : 2007-07-02
| Subject: Re: Lustration Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:51 pm | |
| - Kiskun wrote:
- Then, in Russia, it is even worse than I thought.
I read about some kind of lustration in Poland. Did it have any significant affect on politics, economy and paradigm-change in people's head? Lustration is politilal weapon against enemies. Also many facts are false some evidence is fake. We have lustration court, old comies who cooperated with secret servises (SB,UB) are defended by old partners there. So i dont belive that is is suffecient. | |
| | | Rzeczpospolita
Number of posts : 390 Age : 42 Localisation : Gdansk, Poland Registration date : 2007-06-08
| Subject: Re: Lustration Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:10 pm | |
| Lustration in Poland is organized in that way to not catch anybody and to feed as much bureaucrats as only possible. This is obvious that documents about all important communist agents were destroyed or never existed. Careful observers of Polish political scene could easily suspect some people whose behavior after collapse of communism was strange that they are agents. However they wont be able to proof anything. We had such political party Democratic Union (later Freedom Union, later Democratic Party and now in coalition (called LiD)with post-communist SLD) that I personally think that most o them are former communist agents. They will never be punished, I have no doubt about it. | |
| | | Kiskun
Number of posts : 319 Age : 37 Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét Registration date : 2007-05-20
| Subject: Re: Lustration Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:49 am | |
| - Rzeczpospolita wrote:
- Lustration in Poland is organized in that way to not catch anybody and to feed as much bureaucrats as only possible. This is obvious that documents about all important communist agents were destroyed or never existed. Careful observers of Polish political scene could easily suspect some people whose behavior after collapse of communism was strange that they are agents. However they wont be able to proof anything. We had such political party Democratic Union (later Freedom Union, later Democratic Party and now in coalition (called LiD)with post-communist SLD) that I personally think that most o them are former communist agents. They will never be punished, I have no doubt about it.
Quite similar here, lustration wasn't successful as our constitution didn't accept the law-pack which the Czechoslovakian one accepted, so we had a much softer lustration law in 1997, which bans people of certain public-places who fought on the side of the dictatorship under the 1956 revolution. Our prime minister in 1997 (Horn Gyula - Gyula Horn) was just one of these and simply smiled and said: I won't resign. And he didn't and everything went on like before... in the colours of MSZP (Hungarian Socialist Party)... His niece has just said that "A riot which was just the liberation of some nacists cannot be called revolution, that is why I don't call 1956 a revolution" - Her statement is scandalous even compared to the current communist-protector laws. She is also an MSZP-member of parliament. | |
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