Iraq

They should leave that iraq alone allready.

Hi to all!

I'm a new member and first of all i want to congratulate for this page. I'm totally against the intervention politics of war, but, despite this. In this moment, Iraq can not be leaved alone cause the inner-political stituation after the USA army intervention had create a push into the wrong lane of democratic, or USA-Europian democratic system. The tension and all the delusion of the American strategy have created the adapt backgruond to built an Islamic foundamentalist nation. Actually we should help the common people but not under USA army and them allies, my Albania included (shame on us), but from an international force and peace keeping taks directed by the UN. In this moment USA, is doing what they always did about their interest, reaching their goal and not taking care about the Iraqi citizens life. USA should get outside Iraqi, but we should stay there to support the real intelighenzia of that country.

full back up of Iraq these days it's nuts idea! no way turn back, that will be wrong decision. I remind you all Mahmoud Ahmadinejan's nuclear ambitions which is a dangerous gamble. It costs safety all Middle East also Israel and European Union and it may force America to flex its military muscle to prove him wrong.

In my opinion it would be a wrong idea to leave Iraq in times like this. Western countries should help Iraq to build up their democracy. They should also help them to train new loyal soldiers and police officers. US-army is a important part of this process. They are the muscles which protect the new government.

USA army is behaving there badly, first they went for chemical weapons, then for Saddam. People see them there as occupants and fight against it. Maybe real reason why they still are there is oil?

They ARE there for the oil -.-

And IMO, an army presence is necessary, but it doens't have to be USA. But I don't think anyone is up for the task and USA would be ok with it (they'd loose the oil). So it's kind of a complicated situation...

Bullshit. I have been there twice and you are going to tell me how those in the country feel? You do not have a clue of what you are talking about. You have some of your own countrymen serving as well. I guess they are also bad guys?

Explain us then, what you think.

I’m not accusing soldiers, i think they are victims of politicians as well are locals.

How you got in Estonian portal US Soldi

Btw Admin, I suggest you to restrict posting to- registered only Maybe more people would stay then. And the posting wouldn't be THAT anonymous then.

Well, I live in USA right now, so I know pretty well what is going on over here.
First of all, ppl are pissed at Bush. I dont know how he got elected for the 2nd time. Ppl probabally thought he should clean after his own mess.

they want the troops out.
but i think right now, when iraq is trashed and crashed, it would be a bad idea. they should help to build it up, make it strong. and then there is a slight possibility iraqis won't hate americans afterwords.

I believe thery are not doing very well it.

Admin wrote:

I believe thery are not doing very well it.

Yup, for two seperate reasons

1) They are buisy with keeping themselves alive, as some groups there think that it would be good for them to leave Iraq the next day.
2) They are too buisy digging oil -.-

Admin wrote:

I like freedom of speech.

USA brought the freedom of speech and other ideals of the free world to iraq ... why don't you like that democracy was brought to them democrats as you are...

Admin wrote:

I like freedom of speech.

USA brought the freedom of speech and other ideals of the free world to iraq ... why don't you like that democracy was brought to them democrats as you are...

I think the problem is they can't seem to handle democracy.

DerDieDas wrote:

In my opinion it would be a wrong idea to leave Iraq in times like this. Western countries should help Iraq to build up their democracy. They should also help them to train new loyal soldiers and police officers. US-army is a important part of this process. They are the muscles which protect the new government.

Agree!

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

That's a blog of a girl who lives in Iraq, in Baghdad. In the older posts she says that when the soldiers hadn't come yet they were one of the most liberal Arabic countries. Women could go to work, go out by theirselves, wear hijab or burka if they wanted to. Nobody forced them to marry if they didn't want to. Nobody cared if their neighbour was a Sunnite or Shiite. There were many families where Sunnites and Shiites were mixed. Everyone could get on well with each other.

Helena wrote:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

That's a blog of a girl who lives in Iraq, in Baghdad. In the older posts she says that when the soldiers hadn't come yet they were one of the most liberal Arabic countries. Women could go to work, go out by theirselves, wear hijab or burka if they wanted to. Nobody forced them to marry if they didn't want to. Nobody cared if their neighbour was a Sunnite or Shiite. There were many families where Sunnites and Shiites were mixed. Everyone could get on well with each other.

USA troops came and soon the women couldn't go to work, go out by theirselves, waer hijab or burka if they wanted to? and suddenly they were forced to marry even if they didn't want to? they started to care if their neighbour was a sunnite or shiit holly shiiiiaaa
and i thought usa brought democracy

LPF wrote:

Helena wrote:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

That's a blog of a girl who lives in Iraq, in Baghdad. In the older posts she says that when the soldiers hadn't come yet they were one of the most liberal Arabic countries. Women could go to work, go out by theirselves, wear hijab or burka if they wanted to. Nobody forced them to marry if they didn't want to. Nobody cared if their neighbour was a Sunnite or Shiite. There were many families where Sunnites and Shiites were mixed. Everyone could get on well with each other.

USA troops came and soon the women couldn't go to work, go out by theirselves, waer hijab or burka if they wanted to? and suddenly they were forced to marry even if they didn't want to? they started to care if their neighbour was a sunnite or shiit holly shiiiiaaa
and i thought usa brought democracy

Before the war women actually had about the same rights as men. Nobody paid attention to the radical groups, the groups had a lack of members. But now joining a group and propagating radical islam is the only way to stand against Americans. Therefore it's dangerous for a woman to attend work or go out without hijab, because she might get attacked. Women who worked on high places in the time of peace have by now risigned or been killed.

why are the people joining the radical groups and propagating radical islam? it doesn't make their lives better, it makes the lives far worse.
i think the only reason why the people are against americans is religion, not oil or americans way of life or ...

They don't like to be occupated.

whats the diffrence between occupation and liberation ???

LPF wrote:

whats the diffrence between occupation and liberation ???

Depends which side you are on.

Everyone wants to believe things which are best for him/her.

Hello all.
I'm an American citizen (by birth) and I don't quite agree with this Iraq war. I do believe that my country should try its hardest to maintain the most powerful military in the world, and I do believe that if we are directly attacked (Iraq didn't do that, which is why I disagree with the war), the consequences should be extremely severe. But, now that we are in Iraq, I'd like to think that something positive has emerged from the experience, which is why I often think about Kurdistan:P. Here is an example of an oppressed people who, for the most part, have been liberated (US presence in the Kurdish area is, last I checked, a small fraction of that in certain other areas). They no longer have to fear systematic genocide, and have been living in relative peace. Again, I'm not trying to justify the war- I think our involvement was wrong- but something good did come out of this.
PS I don't believe in the ends justifying the means; again this is why I say that I have not in any way attempted to justify the invasion. I'm just looking for reasons why the deaths of so many young Americans were not without reason.