EU politicians denounce Poland's stand on death penalty

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Strasbourg, Sep. 25, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A German Socialist member of the European parliament, Martin Schulz, has called for the European Union to isolate Poland. Schulz argues that the Polish government is acting in violation of the principles espoused by the EU, because Polish President Lech Kaczynski supports capital punishment.

The Polish government recently objected to a day of protest against the death penalty, organized by the EU; Polish officials said that a campaign dedicated to the dignity of human life should be expanded to include opposition to abortion.

European day against death penalty? Between 70/80% of Poles support death penalty. About a year ago I read about survey in the Czech Republic and they also support death penalty. I'm sure that there is few more countries with more supporters and in other they consist significant minority. So if in the EU opinion of ordinary citizens is worth more than nothing they I would say that such celebrations cannot be introduced. Socialists talk a lot about European values, my question would be who the hell decided what is in agreement with these values and what is not??? What I see is that people don't consider such view to be something normal, if so this is the best proof that if anything then for sure not opposition to death penalty is commonly shared by people in European countries.

If you know results of surveys on this issue from your countries please post here, I'm curious.

There is another economical aspect, they will do for sure some media campaigns to promote such "day", what is more in the EU they established plenty of such "days of something" that ordinary citizens are not even aware. Generally I oppose all such completely artificial celebrations.

The leftists push all their brilliant ideas to be European values, so my proposition would be to abandon to celebrate all BS that they believe in separate special days and proclaim one and only "Day of socialism and communism". Seriously I don't wish to be pressured or forced to celebrate anything, what will be their next move? Obligatory parades like in communist era "workers day"?

By the way, this is not true that in the EU death penalty is forbidden. Such law doesn't exist, if somebody disagree please provide proper paragraph. Death penalty is forbidden for members of Council of Europe, useless and unimportant organization that have nothing to do with the EU, even Russia is a member. EUcrats asked about this issue talk about European values but this means nothing itself, only totalitarian court would buy such argument.

For me death penalty is a sideline issue, I support it but this is not the most important for sure. I just cannot stand the EUcrats and their authoritarianism.

There is a moratorium for death penalty in Russia. Now many people and politicians talk about canceling it.

I am againsnt death penalty. My mother used to be a lawyer and she had been a detective before, and she is against it too, because she knows this system pretty well.

The only thing that can reduce the crime is inevitability of the punishment - not severity.

As for the opinion of the majority, I don't think that we should listen to it in such cases. The crowd has always been blood-thirsty.

(need to get back to work. To be continued...)

So Hitler would be alive according to law...
As Marc Detroux and this chess killer right now.
I think some guys would stop themselves befoure crime if this penalty would exist. I am pretty sure about it.
I may go to Saudi Arabia and left vallet on the middle of the street and nobody take it thanks to severity of punishment. I like it.
Did EU countries protested when Saddam Husajn was killed?
Hipocrycy.

EU should produce film like this:
Cameramen shows criminal, during narrator says:

-This is Mr. Smith he killed 17 people in bomb attack, but we did not kill him we are merciful, his death give us nothing you know, opositte we can feed him, cure him we respect his right as human being. We want Nobel prize!

-This is Mr. Jones he raped and killed 3 children, but he is still alive, becouse of our values which are great, our world is better thanks to us !!

And at the end :
-Let's dance it is Europen day against death penalty! and cameraman shows big parade in Brussels where prisoners, politics, and ordinary people holds their hands and sing - "We are the world"

But EU will never do such a film...

Im not bloody thirsty i only have no mercy for this who hadn't it for others.

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-This is Mr. Smith he killed 17 people in bomb attack, but we did not kill him we are merciful, his death give us nothing you know, opositte we can feed him, cure him we respect his right as human being. We want Nobel prize!

-This is Mr. Jones he raped and killed 3 children, but he is still alive, becouse of our values which are great, our world is better thanks to us !!

How about a film when they kill the wrong men while Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones singing "The show must go on"?

NowhereMan wrote:

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-This is Mr. Smith he killed 17 people in bomb attack, but we did not kill him we are merciful, his death give us nothing you know, opositte we can feed him, cure him we respect his right as human being. We want Nobel prize!

-This is Mr. Jones he raped and killed 3 children, but he is still alive, becouse of our values which are great, our world is better thanks to us !!

How about a film when they kill the wrong men while Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones singing "The show must go on"?

It is not argument against death penalty, it is argument that it should be given in proper way - evidences should be 200% strong I agree with that.

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It is not argument against death penalty, it is argument that it should be given in proper way - evidences should be 200% strong I agree with that.

That is the problem that cannot be solved)

NowhereMan wrote:

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It is not argument against death penalty, it is argument that it should be given in proper way - evidences should be 200% strong I agree with that.

That is the problem that cannot be solved)

Really? So all people go to jail even for life becouse of circumstantial evidence ?

I think also human rights organisations could take part in court process and cotrol it. I am simply man i cannot understand why Chinese can kill Tibetians for example and politics do nothing, and when society want to get rid of murderers they wake up and remind about morality.

5 commandmend - don't kill, but God help Israel in killing his enemies
so they killed, so don;t kill at lest you are Jew?

In my opinion if someone killed another the only way to avoid punishement - he should help another men. I don't know how, he may pay for someones operation, he can give his organ.Puting him into prison gives nothing to society. I don't think about mentaly ill people, but cold blood murderers.

I would rather prefer to be killed even if innocent than spent the rest of my life in prison. The possibility that you will be executed when you are innocent is probably more than a million times lesser than that you die tomorrow in road accident.

I don't support death penalty as a chance that a wrong man is going to be killed would be too big. For example, quite lately there was a big case with that question in America. An innocent man was saved just couple of days before the execution. If court makes such mistakes as killing a wrong man it can't consider itself better than any other murderer.
Besides, in many country where corruption is on high level politicians and other important people would probably start to use the death punishment to get rid of their enemies.
On the other side, if someone would be a real beast then I'd probably think about this other variant.

As I mentioned before- concrete evidence. And that doesn't mean a court order. That means either video footage of the crime, a LOT of witnesses, photo proof etc etc...

Helena wrote:

I don't support death penalty as a chance that a wrong man is going to be killed would be too big. For example, quite lately there was a big case with that question in America. An innocent man was saved just couple of days before the execution. If court makes such mistakes as killing a wrong man it can't consider itself better than any other murderer.
Besides, in many country where corruption is on high level politicians and other important people would probably start to use the death punishment to get rid of their enemies.
On the other side, if someone would be a real beast then I'd probably think about this other variant.

Well i heard about man who has spent 20 years in prison and was innocent so we should ban prisons becous of it?There is a lot of innocent people in preason...

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As I mentioned before- concrete evidence. And that doesn't mean a court order. That means either video footage of the crime, a LOT of witnesses, photo proof etc etc...

I agree with that, there would be very few death sentence but we would be sure that nobody innocent die. It shouldb be stricly describe how 200% strong evidence looks like no improvisation here. It may be mix for example fingerprints on weapon and witnesses or videotapes and body in garden of suspected. Also machine which find lies could be helpful additionary. Michael Scotfield is ficton figure , you know...

towito wrote:

Well i heard about man who has spent 20 years in prison and was innocent so we should ban prisons becous of it?There is a lot of innocent people in preason...

As I understand, we should agree the death penalty because it would be so nice to find out that someone's not guilty after the one is already dead. It's better in any case to be set free after some years than to be killed. Besides, the story you heard was about 20 years but I bet there are a lot of stories when people have been set free couple of years after their prisoning. What if death penalty would've been in use?

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Also machine which find lies could be helpful additionary. Michael Scotfield is ficton figure , you know...

A lie-detector can be deluded easily. The intelligence agents, for example, even learn how to do it. It doesn't work on all people, either.