Death penalty poll

I just wonder what is your opinion in this case.

I'd vote for "Only for severe crimes and with concrete evidence"

For me even one victim is enough if murdered with premeditation. If somebody plan to kill somebody else then it is his choice, the same he/she could put head on railway and wait till train arrive. Death penalty this is not revenge, should not give satisfaction to anybody, this is just elementary justice.

Hypno wrote:

I'd vote for "Only for severe crimes and with concrete evidence"

Well this poll is about effect of some crimes.
It can be terrorist atack, it may be murder or drugs trade.
I just was wonder how many people must die becouse of someone action, that we would be ready to say - lets kill this one who made it all.
Evidence is concret. That's why i called them murderers not suspected of murder(s).

I hope You will vote

Could you give a link to some statistic data that shows a lower crime rate in countries/states (for US) with death penalty comparing to those without capital punishment?

NowhereMan wrote:

Could you give a link to some statistic data that shows a lower crime rate in countries/states (for US) with death penalty comparing to those without capital punishment?

I must do some research
this link interesting

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Crime/tst082807a.cfm#_edn10

a quote from article:

"Using a panel data set of over 3,000 counties from 1977 to 1996, Professors Hashem Dezhbakhsh, Paul R. Rubin, and Joanna M. Shepherd of Emory University found that each execution, on average, results in 18 fewer murders"

Here is also something
http://www.wesleylowe.com/cp.html#deter

NowhereMan wrote:

Could you give a link to some statistic data that shows a lower crime rate in countries/states (for US) with death penalty comparing to those without capital punishment?

Probably yes but this doesn't really matter. Tell me one thing, do you think that death penalty for murder with premeditation is just or unjust punishment?

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

NowhereMan wrote:

Could you give a link to some statistic data that shows a lower crime rate in countries/states (for US) with death penalty comparing to those without capital punishment?

Probably yes but this doesn't really matter.

It does matter - we're talking about human's life.

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Tell me one thing, do you think that death penalty for murder with premeditation is just or unjust punishment?

It is just, my friend, but there's just one tiny little thing - I do not trust the police at all!!

Here's a story for you. Once a lady walked through a park late at night, or maybe not late at night, or not even through the park for nobody can tell for sure... Anyway! She was brutally beaten and was found in a trench almost dead. She was taken to the hospital. The police were called. She was asked, "Who did this to you?" The only thing she could whisper was - "My son, my son..." So, guess what everybody thought? Right! it was her son who nearly killed his own mother! It was good for this son that he had a strong alibi, excellent references and good relations with lawyers (because this lady used to be a lawyer), so it avoided suspicion. However, the "bad guys" have never been found but since the lady managed to survive, which is a miracle actually, the police just closed the case. Now, what would happen if she'd died and her son couldn't prove that he hadn't been able to murder her?

That lady is (thanks God not "was"!) my mother, and I am the son.

God bless you all!

This would be not enough for police in normal country. They would check out where you have been at that time and make abduction searching for some evidence, also look for motive. Her words would not be treated as a decisive proof because at that time she was shocked out of touch with other people.

Death penalty is good method for countries where citizens have basic trust to professional police and independent courts.

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

This would be not enough for police in normal country. They would check out where you have been at that time and make abduction searching for some evidence, also look for motive. Her words would not be treated as a decisive proof because at that time she was shocked out of touch with other people.

Death penalty is good method for countries where citizens have basic trust to professional police and independent courts.

Well, our relations were not good at that time and I sort of had a motive).. And I had to go to another city on the next day and some people even thought I tried to escape... ) Of course it wasn't enough, and I don't mean to say that this country isn't "normal") but that was a sticky situation and, "with a lttle bit of luck", I could have become the main suspect with all consequences... I mean, if there were people who saw us swearing and shouting at each other... Add a few more "if-s" and i'm a killer) Life is like a cheap B-movie sometimes...

No, I'm still against capital punishment. You won't convince me this time

This is not my intention to convince anybody, I just question your arguments. When you say about many such "ifs" then as I wrote before the possibility is million times lesser than that you will perish tomorrow in road accident. But pretty equal with the possibility that you will be killed by piano failing on your head Should we ban pianos?

Are you saying that America is not a normal country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvBcES0CFIc, a story of Troy Davis.

NowhereMan wrote:

Here's a story for you. Once a lady walked through a park late at night, or maybe not late at night, or not even through the park for nobody can tell for sure... Anyway! She was brutally beaten and was found in a trench almost dead. She was taken to the hospital. The police were called. She was asked, "Who did this to you?" The only thing she could whisper was - "My son, my son..." So, guess what everybody thought? Right! it was her son who nearly killed his own mother! It was good for this son that he had a strong alibi, excellent references and good relations with lawyers (because this lady used to be a lawyer), so it avoided suspicion. However, the "bad guys" have never been found but since the lady managed to survive, which is a miracle actually, the police just closed the case. Now, what would happen if she'd died and her son couldn't prove that he hadn't been able to murder her?

That lady is (thanks God not "was"!) my mother, and I am the son.

God bless you all!

Amazing story.
This is not 200% evidence for me -only one witness also in bad shape.
But if you would gone for prison for life (becouse there is no penalty death invyour country) you would be happier.? So why dont you want ban life penalty? (how is dozywocie in english?)

Greetings

Maybe you mean életfogytiglan, Towito. (like, life-long penalty)

Kiskun wrote:

Maybe you mean életfogytiglan, Towito. (like, life-long penalty)

thank you i was talking about it d

Kiskun wrote:

Maybe you mean életfogytiglan, Towito. (like, life-long penalty)

This Hungarian language I mentioned that I'm reading a book about Janos Eskerhazy, interesting but already the first sentence put a smile in my face. He was born in Nyitraujlak.

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But if you would gone for prison for life (becouse there is no penalty death invyour country) you would be happier.? So why dont you want ban life penalty?

Oh yes, Towito, I would definitely be happier to stay alive hoping that the truth would come out, and having a chance to do something for it. I wouldn't wish to be killed for something I never did. it is not just about Life. It is about a Good Name.

NowhereMan wrote:

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But if you would gone for prison for life (becouse there is no penalty death invyour country) you would be happier.? So why dont you want ban life penalty?

Oh yes, Towito, I would definitely be happier to stay alive hoping that the truth would come out, and having a chance to do something for it. I wouldn't wish to be killed for something I never did. it is not just about Life. It is about a Good Name.

200% strong evidence, not blind revange.
If You don't belive that so strong evidence can exist You automatically admit that Bin Laden can be innocent man.And Americans should give him life-long penalty that he would have chance to prove that he is inocent. I feel like i was reading Gombrowicz.

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200% strong evidence, not blind revange.
If You don't belive that so strong evidence can exist You automatically admit that Bin Laden can be innocent man.

Who's mr Bin Laden? And where is "200% strong evidence" that he's guilty?))

C'mon, Towito, you understand what I'm saying pretty well)

Rzeczpospolita wrote:

Kiskun wrote:

Maybe you mean életfogytiglan, Towito. (like, life-long penalty)

This Hungarian language I mentioned that I'm reading a book about Janos Eskerhazy, interesting but already the first sentence put a smile in my face. He was born in Nyitraujlak.

Bugyi and Iregszemcse are worse.

NowhereMan wrote:

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200% strong evidence, not blind revange.
If You don't belive that so strong evidence can exist You automatically admit that Bin Laden can be innocent man.

Who's mr Bin Laden? And where is "200% strong evidence" that he's guilty?))

C'mon, Towito, you understand what I'm saying pretty well)

No I don;t understand it.
BinLaden admited that he organized terrorist attack.
Nobody else admited to this. Nobody else claim to be Al Kaida chief.
Not enough?
So what is enough for You to be described as 200% strong evidence?

Kiskun wrote:

Bugyi and Iregszemcse are worse.

I disagree